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| '''Agenda'''
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| * The LWP's relationship with the WAB. Specifically the issue of whether or not (and if yes, how) to link to their websites; the diplomatic aspects as well as the technical and editorial ones.
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| ** In order to have a clearer picture of what our options are, it would be useful to determine the copyright status of the ''Nachlass'' in the US.
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| ** The event which Jasmin proposed organising could be a meaningful part of our effort to establish a positive relationship with the academic Wittgensteinian community.
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| * The publication of two ebooks by La Tigre di Carta.
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| * The "Editorial manager" role.
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| * The [[Private:Tree-like TLP|tree-like view]] of the ''Tractatus''.
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| '''Chair''': Michele Lavazza
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| '''Attended''': Tommaso Furlan, Frederick Kettellhoit, Chiara Manganini, Jasmin Trächtler, Filippo Villaggi, Matteo Zibardi
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| |'''1. Minutes of last meeting'''
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| Agreed as an accurate record of the meeting.
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| |'''2. The LWP's relationship with the WAB; LWP's editorial policy'''
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| Michele proposed a release event of LWP to be planned along with other wittgensteinian communities (in order to make official a potential collaboration with the WAB (Wittgenstein Archives at the University of Bergen) official as well).
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| Before that, nevertheless, more than one issue has to be discussed. This topic has been challenging and widely discussed. Here's a summary of what has been said:
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| Frederic briefly summarized the current situation about our exchanges with WAB, starting with the exchanges Michele had with prof. Pichler ([[Private:Conversation with Alois Pichler]]). Regarding the technical aspects, WAB provides a three-layered (colored facsimiles of manuscripts and typescripts; a well-detailed "diplomatic" transcription of the original works; a "normalized" transcription of the bare text) digital archive of Wittgenstein's ''Nachlass''. If LWP's versions of Wittgenstein's texts have to be linked to the WAB, the best option is to link them to the facsimiles.
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| However, Frederic raised two main questions:
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| 1) does LWP want to deploy this kind of <u>linking to WAB</u>?
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| 2) in that case, what will be the <u>long-term impact</u> of this choice over the project and its aims?
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| Frederic pointed out that WAB is mostly targeted to specialists, therefore the two websites don't share the same kind of public. Nonetheless, it would be good to show willingness to collaborate, even if that could affect our future direction.
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| Jasmin added that WAB is a well-known and established institution when it comes to Wittgenstein. On the "diplomatic" side, then, it would be good to be known that LWP is collaborating or at least in harmony with them.
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| Michele asked if providing links to the facsimiles provides a supplementary value for our readers; he doesn't thinks so, even if our public wouldn't be harmed by the links either.
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| Incidentally, more than one solution has been put forward in order to make the links available but discreet. Michele proposed inserting a toggle to show/hide the links. Jasmin suggested placing the links in the introduction captions to the texts.
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| In relation to all these matters, Michele raised a third issue: (3) provided that LWP's aim is to make as many Wittgenstein's works as possible, in several languages, available to as many people as possible (both specialists and non-specialists), which should be the <u>editorial policy</u> of LWP? Which kind of works do we want to publish? How and in which order do we want to make them available?
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| Frederic exposed two editorial alternatives: a "<u>breadth-first</u>" approach (providing a wide offer of texts, in the order they are ready, even with few translations of the works) opposes to a "<u>depth-first</u>" attitude (focusing on providing good and many translations of the main Wittgenstein's works, notably ''Tractatus logico-philosophicus'', ''Philosophical Investigations'' and ''On certainty'', not excluding publishing any other text, but with less priority). The advantages of the latter alternative are that, in so doing, LWP could be clearly distinguished from WAB, offering a more accessible, curated and well-edited version of already published and well-known works, which are more appealing to a great audience. The other texts should therefore wait to be translated and refined later.
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| Michele agreed on the depth-first approach and on the distinction between "row" works (that WAB gives an overview of) and published ones (which are on LWP's website). He also expressed the concern that the already published texts should not be removed from the website; as well as new translations and contributes regarding minor works should be accepted anyways. In the end, he agreed on stressing the importance of major works. Jasmin added that incomplete or improvable texts might be put in a separated area than the complete ones.
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| Conclusions: from now on, LWP will follow a depth-first editorial approach (smaller number of texts, but in higher quality of editing and availability, not without curatorial work, if that is the case); LWP should engage an interaction with WAB, while letting the audience know that we provide digitalized versions of published works and selectively providing links for curated and complete versions; in the short term, as the "diplomatic" point of the collaboration stands, LWP will adopt a careful approach towards WAB, it being understood that the two projects do not overlap. This would be even clearer if the ''Nachlass'' facsimiles were uploaded on the Wikimedia Commons repository, which is however situated in the USA.
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| Further discussion on if and how adding links to WAB on the website will be discussed in a later meeting.
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| It's agreed to freeze the publication of Philosophie (as an example of minor work) till the editorial policy issue is fully discussed.
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| Jasmin is charged to contact someone who can verify if the 1968 ''Nachlass'' edition in the USA includes a copyright notice, which makes it public domain in the USA.
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| |'''3. Editorial manager'''
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| It's agreed that Jasmin will be LWP's editorial manager.
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| |'''4. Ebooks publication on "La Tigre di Carta"'''
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| Two ebooks of the Italian translations of ''Notes on logic'' and ''notebooks 1914-1916'' from the website have been published on the Italian review "La Tigre di Carta"'s website. Michele explained that this was part of the funding agreement with Wikimedia Italia. The ebooks have been manually generated and provided with a ISBN; a link to the epub versions of both the texts are now available on the respective page of LWP's website.
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| |'''5. Tree-like view of the ''Tractatus'''''
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| The tree-like view of the ''Tractatus logico-philosophicus'' is currently under development at the following link: [[Private:Tree-like TLP]]. The expand/collapse tool is native on the Vector skin of the website but doesn't really fit the Minerva skin.
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| |The technical team will take care of adapting the tool to the Minerva skin through JavaScript (involving some expert if that is the case).
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